[Management] [Product Council] Meeting this week

Mon Nov 30 04:53:01 PST 2009

are lancaster Uni not supporting profile2  - this would be Adrian Fish?  He's probably not on this list

adam

From: management-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:management-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of Michael Korcuska
Sent: 25 November 2009 15:41
To: Clay Fenlason
Cc: management at collab.sakaiproject.org
Subject: Re: [Management] [Product Council] Meeting this week

Good summary Clay. I'd like to say publicly, as I've said to Clay off-list and perhaps on-list in other contexts, that I think the PC should make statements like the following (taking Profile2 as an example):

* Profile2 is ready for release except for multi-institutional maintenance commitment. If the community wants to see this move forward we need to have another institution or individual (ideally 2) raise their hand to agree to assist Steve Swinsburg with maintenance. That commitment needs to come quickly to allow QA to plan its work, no later than (picking a date) December 10.

As to my personal views (FWIW)....

On Profile 2 It has been pointed out that it has one more maintainer than the existing profile tool. And they use the same service. So perhaps we're actually better off with Profile 2, especially given how incredibly responsive Steve has been and how motivated he is to see this tool in the release. And being better off should be a strong consideration :-).  On the other hand new code always introduces risk. I would also like to see us begin to drive towards our goal of multi-institutional support for new code. So the "sample" statement above pretty accurately represents my personal view of what should happen with Profile2. The Product Council's mileage may vary, of course.

For me a similar story applies to BasicLTI, although the Foundation has committed Anthony to help Michigan support that. I'm not sure if that counts as multi-institutional support. And again I'd provide a deadline for getting the help documentation completed (say December 10 again).

Finally, I *think* the proposal Clay is hinting at for conditional release would have the service code enabled and the UI code available but disabled by default. Is that correct?

Michael

On Nov 25, 2009, at 05:59, Clay Fenlason wrote:

A meeting page is up with connection info:

http://confluence.sakaiproject.org//x/CA0AB<http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/x/CA0AB>

As of this morning (Wednesday), and filling in gaps with conversations off-list, this is where I think we are in our discussion. Keep in mind that we agreed to not simply deliver up-down decisions, but also identify goals for projects not yet ready, and fallback options.

The non-controversial:
- Licensing concerns with Gradebook2 remove it from consideration for now
- Site Stats should go ahead
- User-facing features of conditional release are not ready in their current state, but the service should be available for other tools to participate

The somewhat controversial:
- What should be our approach for ratcheting up maintenance criteria, with the end goal being a maintenance team?
- Profile2 not being ready for reasons of institutional commitment. And if it does go in TinyURLService would need to be there, too.
- BasicLTI not being ready for reasons of help documentation and institutional commitment.

The awkward:
- What are fallback plans for TinyURLService and Condition Service wrt 2.7? We are not prepared for kernel governance as a distinct concern, though I think it would be ideal to handle in that context. If we take them just as service additions to the existing monolithic codebase, Anthony doesn't think it's a problem to fit them in since they alter no existing functionality.

~Clay
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:55 AM, michael feldstein <michael.feldstein at oracle.com<mailto:michael.feldstein at oracle.com>> wrote:
I'll also be there, and I could also use some catch-up pointers.

- m

On 11/23/2009 6:14 PM, Max Whitney wrote:

I will definitely be on the call on Wednesday.

I have had some difficulty keeping up with the email discussions over

the last week. If you could point me to the most relevant threads I

will get caught up in advance of the call.

Thanks,

Max

On Nov 23, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Clay Fenlason wrote:

Just a reminder to council members that the plan is to use the meeting

slot this week, although I know holiday travel may interfere for some

of us. The agenda is to come to consensus on the more controversial

choices facing us, with my plain hope being to resolve as much as

possible - especially the non-controversial points - before the

meeting. So whether you can attend the call or not, please try to

weigh in with what you can contribute on-list.

To prevent this becoming a problem later, and at the risk of appearing

heavy-handed, I think I should also say that this call will be for

council members only. If there are points others would like to raise

in the context of these deliberations, please do so ahead of time here

on-list as well.

~Clay

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